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Machine Dating Service (UK owners only)

Machine Dating Service (UK Owners only)

The Jawa CZ Owners Club has information on machines made from 1929 to 2017. Although we cannot always precisely date machines, as JAWA CZ regarded some engine/frame numbers as state secrets, we can provide machine dating information acceptable to DVLA.
 

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING INSTRUCTION CAREFULLY:

To obtain a dating letter it is necessary to contact the club archivist via the club website in the first instance, or by using the postal address shown in the list of Club Officers found in Torque, the club magazine.

Dating requests have to be done by post. The issuing of a machine dating letter cannot be done via email. A physical record of every submission is held to help resolve issues with the DVLA which are becoming more frequent.  

Any incomplete applications will not be processed but returned to the originator. A charge of 10.00 will be made for each application returned and must be paid with any resubmission. Dating will not start unless the fee is received. 

If the Club is unable to issue a Dating letter due to an incomplete application the fee will not be refunded.

Please remember to enclose a A4 SAE stamped large letter for the reply.

This is the Jawa CZ Owners Club Procedure.

Good quality photographs are required. As a minimum you should have photos of both sides of the bike, the Engine Number, and the Frame Number. Any dated information you can supply such as details of old registration numbers, or if you have any original Bills of Sale or Service documents can help your application.

Photographs should be certified (e.g. I certify that this is the machine to be registered) and signed by the applicant.  

The final colour scheme should be stated. A covering letter clearly printing all numerical details is required to avoid mistakes. Enclose a SAE A4 size stamped large letter for reply.

Only post copies of any original items as the materials supplied will be retained for our records unless return is requested, and postage supplied. We are required by DVLA to keep records of all Machine Dating requests in case of disputes between DVLA and machine owners.

Application for a Machine Dating Letter or Completion of DVLA Form V765

 

   Information for Registering an Old Bike
(Undergoing Review)

This is the DVLA Procedure to follow.

A)   If your vehicle does not have a registration number:-

      

NOVA (HMRC Import record)

Any foreign made bike imported with no UK registration will first need to be recorded with HMRC using a NOVA form.  The NOVA system is geared up for the mass recording of new vehicles by the importers but the same system has to be used for one off recording of older vehicles. There is an on-line NOVA application which is unsuitable for our purposes so the paper form should be used.  

If a vehicle is over 10 years old, they are not interested in it for any taxation purposes.  Technically it counts as a new vehicle if it is less than 10 years old or has less than 3,750 miles on the clock. So a Certificate of Conformity is not needed for older registrations, only for new imported machines.

Fill in the relevant sections (you will have to write "manufactured in 19XX" in section 3, as there is no box to state age of vehicle).

A lot of the form does not apply to older vehicles. here are few tips as to what is required:-

You will need print out the form and fill in:

Part 1.
Part 2 - tick no for question 13 & put "vehicle purchased as used within the UK" under Q.18.
Part 3 - all of Q. 20D.
Part 4 - ignore.
Part 5 - Q. 24 "not known".
Q. 29 "not known" "vehicle was originally manufactured without a speedometer" (applies to many of the mopeds) or "new original type speedometer fitted" if applicable or something similar.
Q. 34 "private cash purchase"  (unless you have got an invoice). 

Parts 6 & 7 - ignore.

Then fill and sign page 7 and post it to the address on the form. HMRC should take about 14 days to write back confirming it has been recorded and no duty or VAT is due. There is no charge for NOVA.

Machine Dating Letter Required.

Obtain proof of the year of manufacture of the vehicle from a club or organisation relevant to the make, model or type of vehicle. (eg Jawa CZ Owners Club). Apply as per Jawa CZ OC procedure and then a Machine Dating letter and supporting information will be returned to enable you to apply to DVLA.

DVLA Forms

Arrange MOT Test Certificate and Insurance cover. This can be done using the frame number.

Obtain Form V55/5 for a new registration of a used vehicle. Can be obtained from a Post Office or downloaded from the DVLA website. Complete the V55/5 application form and submit to DVLA with your Nova letter, Dating letter plus related information, Test Certificate, Insurance documents and appropriate licence fee. This is to obtain your new V5C document (log book).

Use Form V62 for a replacement logbook if lost or if previous owner has not passed on V5C but machine is registered with DVLA. The form can also be obtained from a Post Office or downloaded from the DVLA website. Complete the V62 application form and submit to DVLA with your Nova letter, Dating letter plus related information, Test Certificate, Insurance documents and appropriate licence fee. This is to obtain your replacement V5C document (logbook).

If the DVLA are satisfied with the application, they will issue an appropriate age-related registration number and licence the machine for road use. N.B. - Non-suffix numbers are issued non-transferable. The registration document should follow within six weeks.

Please note that modified machines may be issued with a Q plate by DVLA.

 

CZ 600cc engine

Motorcycle frame

          B)   If your vehicle has its original registration number:-

Use form V765 and forward to Owners Club as the authorising vehicle club to date and stamp form. The V765 will be returned with a covering letter and supporting information from the Jawa CZ OC. You then send it to DVLA to retain the existing number, unless it has been already reallocated. If this is the case, you will be informed by DVLA and reapply as above at A). 

Please note that if your vehicle has a Q plate, unless it is less than 12 months from issue, this cannot be exchanged for an age-related plate. Appeals against older Q plates are no longer permitted by DVLA.

 

Old style motorcycle number plate

All forms can be found on the DVLA website. The Club is on the DVLA list of approved clubs for validation of UK based machines so please contact us.

Although rare, should DVLA insist that the inspection of a machine then their private inspection contractor will arrange an appointment at DVLA expense to view your machine. In the rare situation that a Club Technical Expert is necessary to clarify its authentication, all our expenses incurred will be charged accordingly to both club members and non-members alike. 

There is no charge for club members using requesting a Machine Dating Letter but there is a fee of 35.00 for non members.

Please note that the final decision on the acceptance of all registration applications rests with the DVLA and not the Jawa CZ Owners Club.


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